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		<title>By: Anwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 21:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I saw some of the responses to That Post on the weekend, but the blog was down so I&#039;m only just able to read the original thing... I just mostly want to say that you and Caitlin and AnnieMcPhee and ooh, just SO MANY people involved rock in an almighty fashion. Also, I am slightly bemused that Mo asked PQ a question which said something about &#039;well, you lost weight and kept it off!!!&#039; when a cursory glance at the book&#039;s page on Amazon shows that PQ reached her goal weight in, er, Feb 07. So basically she&#039;s not even a statistical anomaly yet - she&#039;s got another four years of maintaining to go before she can claim those dizzy heights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I saw some of the responses to That Post on the weekend, but the blog was down so I&#8217;m only just able to read the original thing&#8230; I just mostly want to say that you and Caitlin and AnnieMcPhee and ooh, just SO MANY people involved rock in an almighty fashion. Also, I am slightly bemused that Mo asked PQ a question which said something about &#8216;well, you lost weight and kept it off!!!&#8217; when a cursory glance at the book&#8217;s page on Amazon shows that PQ reached her goal weight in, er, Feb 07. So basically she&#8217;s not even a statistical anomaly yet &#8211; she&#8217;s got another four years of maintaining to go before she can claim those dizzy heights.</p>
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		<title>By: Lillian Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://fatistician.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/i-feel-better-when-im/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Lillian Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been trying to lose weight, but the weight keeps find me.  However, I&#039;m losing fat tissue and gaining muscle tissue and becoming stronger.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the weight that matters, but the attitude.  I walk long distance now without fear.  I can jog 30 minutes straight.  I can ride my bike an hour.  I have energy to do housework and yardwork.  I have more patience.  

I think exercise and eating healthy are good in their own right.  I think &#039;dieting&#039; takes away from the value of exercising and eating a healthy diet.  I hear that too many people stop exercising and eat healthy when the weight stops coming off.  It shouldn&#039;t be about the weight, but about feeling good.  I think because of this that dieters should be part of FA.  They need to know that doing the right things for their health may not always lead to weight loss but it still leads to feeling better.  It feels good to eat when I&#039;m hungry.  It feels good to go to sleep on an empty stomach sometimes.  It feels good to eat food that will give me energy.  

I&#039;ve never cared for the taste of overly sweet food.  I rather eat an apple than a piece of cheesecake.  The apple tastes better and is more satisfying.  I&#039;ve recall the last time I had cheesecake I had this feeling like it was tasteless and with each bite I hope that it would have flavor.  My memory told me that cheesecake had flavor and my tastebuds didn&#039;t agree.  I kept eating it hoping that there would be flavor and there never was.  I&#039;ve had the same type of feeling why eating chocolate and other overly sweet foods.  Now, I go into the pastry shop, but I look and not buy.  It&#039;s cheaper and more satisfying.


Just because I&#039;m overweight doesn&#039;t mean that I&#039;m on a diet if I don&#039;t want to eat something sweet when it&#039;s offered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to lose weight, but the weight keeps find me.  However, I&#8217;m losing fat tissue and gaining muscle tissue and becoming stronger.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the weight that matters, but the attitude.  I walk long distance now without fear.  I can jog 30 minutes straight.  I can ride my bike an hour.  I have energy to do housework and yardwork.  I have more patience.  </p>
<p>I think exercise and eating healthy are good in their own right.  I think &#8216;dieting&#8217; takes away from the value of exercising and eating a healthy diet.  I hear that too many people stop exercising and eat healthy when the weight stops coming off.  It shouldn&#8217;t be about the weight, but about feeling good.  I think because of this that dieters should be part of FA.  They need to know that doing the right things for their health may not always lead to weight loss but it still leads to feeling better.  It feels good to eat when I&#8217;m hungry.  It feels good to go to sleep on an empty stomach sometimes.  It feels good to eat food that will give me energy.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never cared for the taste of overly sweet food.  I rather eat an apple than a piece of cheesecake.  The apple tastes better and is more satisfying.  I&#8217;ve recall the last time I had cheesecake I had this feeling like it was tasteless and with each bite I hope that it would have flavor.  My memory told me that cheesecake had flavor and my tastebuds didn&#8217;t agree.  I kept eating it hoping that there would be flavor and there never was.  I&#8217;ve had the same type of feeling why eating chocolate and other overly sweet foods.  Now, I go into the pastry shop, but I look and not buy.  It&#8217;s cheaper and more satisfying.</p>
<p>Just because I&#8217;m overweight doesn&#8217;t mean that I&#8217;m on a diet if I don&#8217;t want to eat something sweet when it&#8217;s offered.</p>
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		<title>By: shinobi42</title>
		<link>http://fatistician.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/i-feel-better-when-im/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>shinobi42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twistie, I totally forgot to include cat cuddling in my post, good call.  mmm Kitties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twistie, I totally forgot to include cat cuddling in my post, good call.  mmm Kitties.</p>
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		<title>By: BStu</title>
		<link>http://fatistician.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/i-feel-better-when-im/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>BStu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Becky, I think that&#039;s the perfect description of a certain subset of diet blogs. The issue I have is when those blogs are called fat acceptance. They aren&#039;t. They just aren&#039;t. That&#039;s not saying that they are the most evil thing on the planet. Its just saying they aren&#039;t fat acceptance. Which is fine. What concerns me is that the desire to brand that mentality as fat acceptance dilutes FA past meaning anything and that&#039;s something I think is harmful. Its not that these sites are bad, but that FA is something different. If it isn&#039;t, then what kind of a gateway is that community really going to be? If there isn&#039;t something more, what can they be lead into? Fat acceptance needs to be something different. We&#039;re trying to change the way fat people are treated. By society and by themselves. We can&#039;t do that if we try to make sure everyone feels comfortable and unchallenged. We just can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becky, I think that&#8217;s the perfect description of a certain subset of diet blogs. The issue I have is when those blogs are called fat acceptance. They aren&#8217;t. They just aren&#8217;t. That&#8217;s not saying that they are the most evil thing on the planet. Its just saying they aren&#8217;t fat acceptance. Which is fine. What concerns me is that the desire to brand that mentality as fat acceptance dilutes FA past meaning anything and that&#8217;s something I think is harmful. Its not that these sites are bad, but that FA is something different. If it isn&#8217;t, then what kind of a gateway is that community really going to be? If there isn&#8217;t something more, what can they be lead into? Fat acceptance needs to be something different. We&#8217;re trying to change the way fat people are treated. By society and by themselves. We can&#8217;t do that if we try to make sure everyone feels comfortable and unchallenged. We just can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Twistie</title>
		<link>http://fatistician.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/i-feel-better-when-im/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>Twistie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely agree that we all need ways of finding our happy without relying on outside validation. Here are some of the things that make me feel better:

Baking (particularly pies, which I so utterly rock at)
Making lace (it&#039;s a zen thing which results in pretty at the end; what&#039;s not to love?)
Cuddling my cat
Cuddling my husband
Watching lots of sci fi shows
Taking a walk
Going to my favorite neighborhood bistro and joining in on random discussions (it&#039;s that sort of place, and I love it!)
Bubble baths
Rubber duckies
Singing
Cooking a special meal from scratch
Reading a good book (Anthony Trollope is a particular favorite)
Having a really goooooood cup of coffee
Putting on a kickass outfit and heading for the theater
Daydreaming about my perfect kitchen.

Nope, losing weight is not on that list. I did lose a lot of weight over the course of a couple years in the wake of getting past a streak of bingeing for several years. I&#039;d be lying if I said I didn&#039;t enjoy seeing those pounds go away or buying new clothes in smaller sizes. On the other hand, the weight loss was an effect of getting past an unhealthy behavior and becoming a happier person. After about the first dress size, I stopped worrying about it so much and decided whatever size I ended up at was fine with me. Yes, that included the concept that I&#039;d be all right if I wound up bigger than ever and able to enjoy my life.

I did happen to lose a lot of weight. I do like me better now than I did when I started. The thing is, I don&#039;t delude myself into thinking that the weight loss is the direct cause of me feeling better about who I am. They just happened to come along at the same time. Correlation is not causality, after all. If I couldn&#039;t love my fat self, I&#039;d still have a long way to go, because I&#039;m sure as hell not thin. But the fact is I do like me. I like me in large part because I do nice things for me and don&#039;t stress about the weight. And I treat myself nicely because I like me.

It&#039;s a damn good feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree that we all need ways of finding our happy without relying on outside validation. Here are some of the things that make me feel better:</p>
<p>Baking (particularly pies, which I so utterly rock at)<br />
Making lace (it&#8217;s a zen thing which results in pretty at the end; what&#8217;s not to love?)<br />
Cuddling my cat<br />
Cuddling my husband<br />
Watching lots of sci fi shows<br />
Taking a walk<br />
Going to my favorite neighborhood bistro and joining in on random discussions (it&#8217;s that sort of place, and I love it!)<br />
Bubble baths<br />
Rubber duckies<br />
Singing<br />
Cooking a special meal from scratch<br />
Reading a good book (Anthony Trollope is a particular favorite)<br />
Having a really goooooood cup of coffee<br />
Putting on a kickass outfit and heading for the theater<br />
Daydreaming about my perfect kitchen.</p>
<p>Nope, losing weight is not on that list. I did lose a lot of weight over the course of a couple years in the wake of getting past a streak of bingeing for several years. I&#8217;d be lying if I said I didn&#8217;t enjoy seeing those pounds go away or buying new clothes in smaller sizes. On the other hand, the weight loss was an effect of getting past an unhealthy behavior and becoming a happier person. After about the first dress size, I stopped worrying about it so much and decided whatever size I ended up at was fine with me. Yes, that included the concept that I&#8217;d be all right if I wound up bigger than ever and able to enjoy my life.</p>
<p>I did happen to lose a lot of weight. I do like me better now than I did when I started. The thing is, I don&#8217;t delude myself into thinking that the weight loss is the direct cause of me feeling better about who I am. They just happened to come along at the same time. Correlation is not causality, after all. If I couldn&#8217;t love my fat self, I&#8217;d still have a long way to go, because I&#8217;m sure as hell not thin. But the fact is I do like me. I like me in large part because I do nice things for me and don&#8217;t stress about the weight. And I treat myself nicely because I like me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a damn good feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: Zilly</title>
		<link>http://fatistician.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/i-feel-better-when-im/#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>Zilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Feeling sad about getting fat is technically about as rational as feeling sad about putting money in a savings account.&lt;/em&gt;

Thank you for that. :)

I&#039;ll have to grind some of your points into my head until I know them by heart so that I finally have a few smart responses at hand, the next time my boyfriend gives me the &quot;but but but I feel uncomfortable in my body!&quot; card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Feeling sad about getting fat is technically about as rational as feeling sad about putting money in a savings account.</em></p>
<p>Thank you for that. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to grind some of your points into my head until I know them by heart so that I finally have a few smart responses at hand, the next time my boyfriend gives me the &#8220;but but but I feel uncomfortable in my body!&#8221; card.</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin</title>
		<link>http://fatistician.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/i-feel-better-when-im/#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What gets me is the belief that by not smiling beatifically on someone&#039;s attempts to diet themselves down to half their bodyweight, FA advocates are somehow being both mean and uninclusive. There is a whole WORLD of people out there who will champion someone&#039;s attempts to lose weight. There is an entire CULTURE geared up to reward that effort, and remind the newly thin every day how superior they are to all those fat people they left behind when they decided they &quot;preferred&quot; not to be one of them. (Because that&#039;s all there is to it, dontcha know.)

So why is it such a big deal that the FA crew (yo) aren&#039;t behind PQ? Why does she need to be validated by a movement that, &lt;i&gt;by its very definition&lt;/i&gt;, is not conducive to weight-loss dieting? &quot;I refused to accept my fat and the fat acceptance people seemed to have some kind of problem with me!&quot; Well, yes. What exactly is confusing you?

But hey, being anything but an echo chamber is apparently rude, whiny, shrieky and hysterical (though that was retracted), and whatever else I can&#039;t remember. Don&#039;t have thoughts, folks. It&#039;s bad for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What gets me is the belief that by not smiling beatifically on someone&#8217;s attempts to diet themselves down to half their bodyweight, FA advocates are somehow being both mean and uninclusive. There is a whole WORLD of people out there who will champion someone&#8217;s attempts to lose weight. There is an entire CULTURE geared up to reward that effort, and remind the newly thin every day how superior they are to all those fat people they left behind when they decided they &#8220;preferred&#8221; not to be one of them. (Because that&#8217;s all there is to it, dontcha know.)</p>
<p>So why is it such a big deal that the FA crew (yo) aren&#8217;t behind PQ? Why does she need to be validated by a movement that, <i>by its very definition</i>, is not conducive to weight-loss dieting? &#8220;I refused to accept my fat and the fat acceptance people seemed to have some kind of problem with me!&#8221; Well, yes. What exactly is confusing you?</p>
<p>But hey, being anything but an echo chamber is apparently rude, whiny, shrieky and hysterical (though that was retracted), and whatever else I can&#8217;t remember. Don&#8217;t have thoughts, folks. It&#8217;s bad for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mentality of the commenters on BFD has always seemed to me to be less: &quot;I accept myself the way I am&quot; and more: &quot;I&#039;m trying to change my size, but in the meantime I&#039;m trying not to hate myself so much.&quot;  Which isn&#039;t the worst thing in the world.  I think it&#039;s a good place for people who want to stop hating themselves, but aren&#039;t ready to give up the fantasy of being thin.  And I&#039;ve seen more than one person say BFD was a &quot;gateway drug&quot; for them, that they started there and moved on to full-blown fat acceptance.  So I do think BFD is a good site, but I don&#039;t really consider it fat acceptance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mentality of the commenters on BFD has always seemed to me to be less: &#8220;I accept myself the way I am&#8221; and more: &#8220;I&#8217;m trying to change my size, but in the meantime I&#8217;m trying not to hate myself so much.&#8221;  Which isn&#8217;t the worst thing in the world.  I think it&#8217;s a good place for people who want to stop hating themselves, but aren&#8217;t ready to give up the fantasy of being thin.  And I&#8217;ve seen more than one person say BFD was a &#8220;gateway drug&#8221; for them, that they started there and moved on to full-blown fat acceptance.  So I do think BFD is a good site, but I don&#8217;t really consider it fat acceptance.</p>
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		<title>By: worthyourweight</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And something totally absent from the discussion is the fact/theory (depending where you are) that weight loss dieting causes weight gain ultimately. You can bet your old booty that a 400-lb. person has dieted *extensively* in her/his lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And something totally absent from the discussion is the fact/theory (depending where you are) that weight loss dieting causes weight gain ultimately. You can bet your old booty that a 400-lb. person has dieted *extensively* in her/his lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: shinobi42</title>
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		<dc:creator>shinobi42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She responded at BFD

&lt;blockquote&gt;Nice to go read you turned a whole post into what I see as a very intentional misreading of pretty much everything I was saying. Plus I didn’t think we were “arguing,” but, whatever. Trying to convey one’s feelings to someone who refuses to listen or hear because their agenda is screaming too loudly in their heads is futile, I guess. Good bye.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  

:-/</description>
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<blockquote><p>Nice to go read you turned a whole post into what I see as a very intentional misreading of pretty much everything I was saying. Plus I didn’t think we were “arguing,” but, whatever. Trying to convey one’s feelings to someone who refuses to listen or hear because their agenda is screaming too loudly in their heads is futile, I guess. Good bye.</p></blockquote>
<p>:-/</p>
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